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XOOPS 年間 MVP に onokazu 氏が選出!

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投稿者: imagine | 投稿日時: 2008/10/30 19:14 | 公開日時: 2008/10/31 16:46 | 閲覧: 44796回
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Packt Publishing 社によって毎年行われる『オープンソース CMS アワード』の一環として、今年からはノミネートされた各 CMS プロジェクトから年間 MVP が選ばれることになりました。
XOOPS Cube は残念ながらノミネートされていません(ちなみに、 『2008 Most Promising Open Source CMS』 では、同じく XOOPS から派生した ImpressCMS が、Mambo から派生した MiaCMS と並んで第3位となりました)が、前身である XOOPS からは、XOOPS の生みの親でもあり、このサイトの管理者でもある、Onokazu 氏が初代の年間 MVP として選出されました。

onokazu さん、おめでとうございます!

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Re: XOOPS 年間 MVP に onokazu 氏が選出! 
投稿者: Gigamaster | 投稿日時: 2008/11/2 0:53
Gigamaster
Technically this "Award" is not fair, not representative of reality!
Most new features of Xoops 2.x and ImpressCms
are features "inspired" by XOOPS Cube, implemented
by Minahito and XC community since three years ago.

That said, I have a question about tradition, culture...

In Japan, is the one 'elected' who offer the beer to friends or
the friends that have to offer the beer to the 'elected' MVP ??
^^

Have Fun, Life can be good !
Re: XOOPS 年間 MVP に onokazu 氏が選出! 
投稿者: imagine | 投稿日時: 2008/11/2 17:32 | 親コメント: #451
imagine

Technically this "Award" is not fair, not representative of reality!
[snip]

Hi,

To our regret, this award is not necessarily given to technically excellent CMS.
You should carefully read the rule of this award.

I seem to lack global community's power though XC may be excellent CMS. This award may be a chance that you realize it ;)
Re: XOOPS 年間 MVP に onokazu 氏が選出! 
投稿者: Gigamaster | 投稿日時: 2008/11/2 19:40 | 親コメント: #452
Gigamaster
Thank you for your reply.
I am maybe stubborn but this award is alike american election, we cannot trust them. I check the link about rules and judge panel.

Award Rules :

2. Only one nomination per person, per category will be counted
6. During the final voting stage, only one vote per person will be counted
8. All judges are independent and their decision is final
12. Packt Publishing has no influence, input or say in the finalists or winners of any Award category

The Award Judging Panel

"The Judges will be choosing from the finalists that received the most nominations, during the nomination stage. They will be basing their choices on a number of factors including performance, usability, accessibility, ease of configuration and customization, scalability and security."

Funny... XOOPS Cube Project : Simple, Secure, Scalable ^^

"The final judge is made up of votes from customers and visitors ..."

So, impressCms has as many users/votes as Xoops, joomla (with members in judge panel), etc... ?

Humm, just google, and get the results :

impresscms...: ~ 146'000
xoopscube......: ~ 1'410'000
xoops (org).....: ~ 15'500'000
drupal...............: ~ 22'500'000
joomla..............: ~ 121'000'000

Common! They spent their time creating profiles/clones or what?
Instead trying to innovate, their last releases clearly show
XC preload mechanism, and you can even read on their devs blog
XC Project philosophy without giving credits, where credits are due.
Same for Xoops.org, and a few others.

The Packt Publishing Award is bullshit !!!

A marketing 'mechanism' to populate a database with user/profiles
that's a valuable argument to close deals with commercial partners
not to evaluate open source projects.

I think it is not XC community responsibility... which should keep
improving XC Project and our spirit team!
Why not sharing some tasteful beer ^^

Your only obligation in any lifetime is to be true to yourself
XC is Great because its People is Great

Don't regret ! Don't Worry, Be Happy!
Re: XOOPS 年間 MVP に onokazu 氏が選出! 
投稿者: imagine | 投稿日時: 2008/11/2 20:27 | 親コメント: #453
imagine
Well, probably many CMS communities in the world trust this award, and are interested, even if you don't trust it ;)
Re: XOOPS 年間 MVP に onokazu 氏が選出! 
投稿者: Gigamaster | 投稿日時: 2008/11/2 21:02 | 親コメント: #454
Gigamaster
You are right! Many people trust things because they have no other source of information.

We have many examples in history. Just check this :

Galileo Galilei


"With the loss of many of his defenders in Rome because of Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems, Galileo was ordered to stand trial on suspicion of heresy in 1633. The sentence of the Inquisition was in three essential parts:

* Galileo was required to abjure the opinion that the Sun lies motionless at the centre of the universe, and that the Earth is not at its centre and moves; the idea that the Sun is stationary was condemned as "formally heretical."
* He was ordered imprisoned; the sentence was later commuted to house arrest.
* His offending Dialogue was banned; and in an action not announced at the trial, publication of any of his works was forbidden, including any he might write in the future"

And Earth remained the center of Universe!
And Vatican manipulate people mind for centuries!

"On 31 October 1992, Pope John Paul II expressed regret for how the Galileo affair was handled, and officially conceded that the Earth was not stationary(...) "

I think there are many other ways to "communicate" interesting features of
XOOPS Cube Project and Community great work.

I believe in Open Source Spirit
And I believe we can keep an open mind
that sets everybody free to learn and do.
The best tool and the best community is the one helping
others to express themselves creatively!
That should be our challenge in all-day life
Freedom !

And that's what I've found on XOOPS Cube Project
japanese developers and XC community members
great people making a great project ^^
Re: XOOPS 年間 MVP に onokazu 氏が選出! 
投稿者: imagine | 投稿日時: 2008/11/2 23:31 | 親コメント: #455
imagine
Finally, the words that Galileo said are presented for you.

'Yet the earth does move.'
Re: XOOPS 年間 MVP に onokazu 氏が選出! 
投稿者: onokazu | 投稿日時: 2008/11/4 14:51 | 親コメント: #453
onokazu
Gigamaster, I agree with you about the award not representing the current situation. I haven't really done anything
for the past few years in terms of core development. The one who receives the award should have been
phppp or minahito if there was XC on the list.


Instead trying to innovate, their last releases clearly show
XC preload mechanism, and you can even read on their devs blog
XC Project philosophy without giving credits, where credits are due.
Same for Xoops.org, and a few others.


The XC preload and delegate features isn't really an innovative mechanism. Dupal and wordpress had those
for years and it is a very common approach developing event-driven, pluggable applications. XC does seem to
be the first one to implement it in the core among the three (xc, icms, xoops), though..
Re: XOOPS 年間 MVP に onokazu 氏が選出! 
投稿者: imagine | 投稿日時: 2008/11/4 18:43
imagine
主要な(というとまた語弊があるかもしれませんが……)CMS コミュニティではすでにこの賞は認知されており、どのコミュニティもお祭り感覚で投票を促したり、受賞を喜び合ったりする中、Gigamaster さん(XC コミュニティの中心にいらっしゃる方?)の『The Packt Publishing Award is bullshit !!!』などという見るに忍びない発言を目にし、XC コミュニティにおいてはタブー視されている賞だったのかなと、投稿したことを若干後悔しております。
個人的には『この賞でXCにも縁のある人(しかも日本人)が受賞したよ!おめでとう!』という純粋な気持ちでしたが、不快な気持ちになった方がいらっしゃったのなら申し訳なく思います。

ただ、苦言を呈するようで憚られ、XCism とでも呼ぶべきものを否定するつもりは毛頭ありませんが、このような賞を純粋に楽しむことができないというのは、XC コミュニティにとっては悲しむべきものなのではないかと、部外者ながら感じたことを申し添えさせていただきます。

最後に、XC コミュニティの今後益々のご発展をご祈念申し上げます。
Re: XOOPS 年間 MVP に onokazu 氏が選出! 
投稿者: itv | 投稿日時: 2008/11/7 0:19 | 親コメント: #463
itv
ちょっとした行き違いだと思うのですが意見がかみあわないようで残念です。

ともあれ gigamasterさんご提案の beer party を Onlineで
やれないものかと考えております。名目は自由参加の親睦会ということで ^^;

多言語、多地点でやれるよう Google Livelyで試しにやってみようかと考えています。
いかがでしょうか。

賛同してくださる方がいらっしゃるようでしたらやりたいと思います。
Re: XOOPS 年間 MVP に onokazu 氏が選出! 
投稿者: imagine | 投稿日時: 2008/11/7 16:24 | 親コメント: #465
imagine
行き違いなど無いように思いますが……^^;
『gigamasterさんご提案の beer party』などと書いているところから察するに、失礼ながら itv さんは彼の発言内容をご理解されていないように思います。

虚仮にされているご本人が丸く収めようとコメントされていらっしゃるので、これ以上あれこれ言うつもりはありませんが、本当に残念なことは、同じコミュニティのメンバーが受賞したのにケチをつけ、得得と持論を展開する彼が XC コミュニティの中心にいるという事実なのではないでしょうか。
Re: XOOPS 年間 MVP に onokazu 氏が選出! 
投稿者: itv | 投稿日時: 2008/11/8 8:46 | 親コメント: #466
itv
Takafumi さん、こんにちは。
返信に気づくのが遅れました。
うーん。
gigamasterさんの最初のコメントは
・このAwordは技術的にフェアでない
・それはさておき日本じゃこんなときビアパーティやんないの
というものだったかと思います。

前者の点での議論は、続けたい方が続ければ良いし
後者についてはおふたりの言っていることはそんなに違わないように思います。

単にAwordに対する温度差からきている行き違いじゃないでしょうか。
私が関わっている別のプロジェクトでは確かにTakafumiさんがおっしゃるようにこのAwordの話題で盛り上がっていましたがここではあまり気にしている人がいなかったようです。
それは白黒つけなくてもいい事柄じゃないかな。
Re: XOOPS 年間 MVP に onokazu 氏が選出! 
投稿者: onokazu | 投稿日時: 2008/11/8 13:06 | 親コメント: #466
onokazu
まずはTakafumiさん、ありがとうございます。先にお礼を申し上げるのを忘れておりました。

それでGigamaster氏の件ですが、彼は私の受賞に文句をつけようとしたのではなく、XCが
ノミネートされていないことに憤慨していたのだと思います。彼とはxoopscube.orgの運営
を一緒にやったりしていますので、おそらくですがそのように考えています。ビールの件も、
特に皮肉っているのではなく、彼はいつもビールの話になるので、普通に日本ではどうする
のかを聞いていたのかと。。

それにしても突然だったので正直なところ、自分自身もびっくりしました。年間アワードという
ことですが、今年というかここ最近はコアの開発にも全く関わっていませんでしたし。普通に
考えれば、XOOPSであればphppp氏、XCであればminahito氏が選出されるべきものなのでは
と思います。

何はともあれ、記事を投稿していただいてありがとうございます。最近はネタ切れになって
いましたので、こういった記事をがんがん投稿していただけるととても助かります^^;
Re: XOOPS 年間 MVP に onokazu 氏が選出! 
投稿者: imagine | 投稿日時: 2008/11/8 17:07 | 親コメント: #468
imagine
itv さん、こんにちは。
ご返信ありがとうございます。

が、「議論」だとか「ビアパーティ」だとか「白黒つける」だとか、私には itv さんがまるで頓珍漢なことを仰っているようにしか思えません^^;
私は彼の考えも理解できますし、それを悪いとも思いませんし、それを矯正しようとも思いません。すべては彼の個性でしょう。
ただ、それをこの場で喧伝するような行為は不幸なことですね、と言いたいだけです。
Re: XOOPS 年間 MVP に onokazu 氏が選出! 
投稿者: imagine | 投稿日時: 2008/11/8 17:34 | 親コメント: #470
imagine
onokazu さん、こんにちは。



それでGigamaster氏の件ですが、彼は私の受賞に文句をつけようとしたのではなく、XCが
ノミネートされていないことに憤慨していたのだと思います。彼とはxoopscube.orgの運営
を一緒にやったりしていますので、おそらくですがそのように考えています。ビールの件も、
特に皮肉っているのではなく、彼はいつもビールの話になるので、普通に日本ではどうする
のかを聞いていたのかと。。



はい、「憤慨していた~」のくだりは私にも理解できますし、「受賞に文句~」や「ビール~」のくだりは、先にも書きましたが、ご本人が好意的に捉えようとされているのでしたら私からは何もありません。

部外者から見た雑感ですが、私が xoops を利用していた数年前に比べ、今はひどく宗教的な感じといいますか、内輪ノリの閉塞感といいますか、多くの魔物が棲みついているような、そんな「負」の印象が強くなっているように感じています。
いろいろと大変だとは思いますが、これからも頑張ってください。
Re: XOOPS 年間 MVP に onokazu 氏が選出! 
投稿者: Gigamaster | 投稿日時: 2008/11/9 20:54
Gigamaster
Hi everybody ^^

Maybe my sentence sounds strongly rude to you all.
I'm using machine translation, japanese to english.
And for sure, there is some misunderstanding,
some cultural and language issues but nothing personal.

I'm working on/with other open source projects that are not part
of such "award" thing because people is focus on achievements.
And not spending energy making an effort for an award that everyone
will forgot in a few days. So, my comments only refer to 'Xoops world' !

History fact, even that one was religious, it was chosen to make a
parallel to community wrong believes, the way people was manhandled
and how the project forks. No matter the 'shape' of the thing ^^

When the 'bad guys' lied, for years, to the all community, we were only
a few fighting at xoops.org - The project survive through different branches
It seems that everybody find a place in a cleanest environment.

But as Mikhail posted sometime ago, since that event, all the work
done with XC seems to only benefit xoops.org and now i-cms.
XC is rarely credited by both projects. Who's fault ?
Those doing something? Those doing nothing ?

I would like to ask you all something about our behavior.
If this seems rude to you, please consider cultural differences.

About Personal and Professional Attitude

Should we wait our parents die, to say we love them?
Our family and friends to get a high position to cherish them?
Should we wait our baseball or football team to win the championship,
to claim we are a fan and celebrate victory?
Why that? Society consumerism, selfish attitude?
Something else that I ignore? Please teach me!

About Lifetime and Lifestyle

Here is a funny response by Steve Jobs when asked if he was envious
of Bill Gate. Steve Jobs said:
- “Bill’s goal isn’t to be the richest guy in the cemetery”

Our countries don't lack money. But our rich societies lack humanity !

I don't expect everybody to agree. I hope everyone think by him-self
and such consciousness contribute to increase confidence. And maybe set
everyone free to express creativity and change the world with our two hands ^^

Love your family and friends, cherish your people! Don't let them alone.
Support them when they are in troubles, sharing your time and your knowledge.
Try to do it every day of your life !

Because the most important is not a high position or award,
nor the end of the road. But how and what we do along the way.
Life is important!

We are creating, building something where nothing existed before
Sure, we make mistakes, and I hope we all learn from that.
Lucky you, me and everyone joining this human adventure.

When i was a kid, old people teach me:
Don't fear but try to have fun playing with ghosts and demons
because they are lonely and bored...
^^
Re: XOOPS 年間 MVP に onokazu 氏が選出! 
投稿者: imagine | 投稿日時: 2008/11/10 18:23 | 親コメント: #473
imagine
Hmm... Are you inducing "religious war"?
You seem just like chauvinist or Bible-puncher.

I've a question for you.
If I want to use XC, I have to kiss your Bible?
If so, I'll use ImpressCMS or Xoops...
Re: XOOPS 年間 MVP に onokazu 氏が選出! 
投稿者: Gigamaster | 投稿日時: 2008/11/11 1:59 | 親コメント: #476
Gigamaster
Hi Takafumi,

It seems that you misunderstand my post.
I said that people had believe Bible because they had no other source of information.

Xoops community had believed Herko and members of i-cms for 3 years
because they had no other source of information.

It is the same situation in society, people believe what they can see on TV, News, Awards
because they have no other source of information nor life experience.

Here is another example, "The Last Samurai"
Movie vs History
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0325710/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Samurai

But pack your bag and travel around the world, you will see the truth with your own eyes !

I believe in freedom, and that's why i join open source projects
and that is also what I'm doing in my all day life. But that is me.

You are free to follow the way you want, religious, political, social, whatever.
It is your life, it is your consciousness.

Everybody make mistakes, every nation.
Great those who learn from that mistakes.
Good luck to the others ^^
Re: XOOPS 年間 MVP に onokazu 氏が選出! 
投稿者: imagine | 投稿日時: 2008/11/11 18:40 | 親コメント: #478
imagine
Hi,

You have only described political trouble or ideology of yours.
So, it cannot become other sources of information.


Xoops community had believed Herko and members of i-cms for 3 years
because they had no other source of information.

So what? Most people are not interested in your ideological/political confrontation.
I recommend that publish to front page on xoopscube.org, if you wish to advertise your ideology.
(But maybe that is not open source activity no longer...)

In any event, you should notice your comments are rude to this article!
Re: XOOPS 年間 MVP に onokazu 氏が選出! 
投稿者: Gigamaster | 投稿日時: 2008/11/11 23:15 | 親コメント: #479
Gigamaster
So, do you think free cooperation in open source is not an ideology ?

Not sure how do you name it...

But maybe the people around the world that believe in open source movement
is wrong..

And maybe all the people who try to apply such open source models of cooperation
in to their 'all day life' are also wrong. Maybe they are wrong to try to change the world.

Maybe money is everything to you..

Sorry, but money is not the most important thing to me.

My ideology is very simple: I like freedom and I believe everybody has the power to create.
I believe in human being and open source spirit,
share time and knowledge to make free tools
and help everybody to express their creativity.

Anyway, i like to discuss with people with different opinion ^^

About life and ideology, we don't have to agree, but I respect your way.

So feel free and have fun !
Re: XOOPS 年間 MVP に onokazu 氏が選出! 
投稿者: imagine | 投稿日時: 2008/11/12 19:29 | 親コメント: #480
imagine

Maybe money is everything to you..

Sorry, but money is not the most important thing to me.

Hmm.. Why "money"? Because I don't agree with your opinion?
How ridiculous!

I understood that you've childish mentality.
Your mind is pure and great, but also very childish.

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